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Art career VS Parents is actually a very very common issue in many different countries.


First of all, you are not alone in this struggle, many many people are on the same boat sharing the same problem, including your parents.


A lot of parents tend to think doing art makes you starve, and you will be poor all your life if you want to become an artist. They are dead set on "a certain career means more money therefore means more steady life"

Truth is... whatever that popular career is... it may become less popular later because of so many people going into the field, thus lowering the demand. The supply and demand principle applies to all fields, jobs market changes.


OK. To start with the conversation... Lets make sure we know what they think that an "art career" is~~~


Research and Communicate:

Usually they don't know ANYTHING about that career you want to go into, usually the best way to go about it is research how much "salary" you will get paid with doing a certain job you are interested in.  Money is usually your parent's first concern, secondly, you have to research into the "steadiness" of the job. That's their second concern.

I would post about union rates in US but i know every country have different rates in different fields.

For those in the US, I will share some links for you to use as reference:

Animators/film productions:
Animator's wages in a decade

2007 Wage survey part 1


Visual arts resources:

Reports of salary on bls.gov

Web Developer Forum

Graphic Artist's Guild


Graphic novel:

Comics:
rec.arts.comics report - scroll down to 3-18: HOW MUCH DO COMIC CREATORS GET PAID?

Mangas:
Toykopop rates and contract




Game productions:
Rates on Video game productions


Fine art gallery: (probably the most unsteady niche area, you can get nothing or alot, most fine art artists end up being teachers for job security.)

Reports of salary on bls.gov




My advice for the young people who needs to make a decision:

1. Choose what's more important to you- take your time to decide.

"It's your own life after you leave your parents- " This sounds mighty- american, it is easier said than done. But I have seen people live with this and they have no regret, they are very very happy and content with their lives, and some of them earn 6 figures....

You might be struggling with the acceptance from your parents VS your own happiness.... If you value your parent's opinion a lot more than your dream career choice, then go with your parents, you have made the sacrifice to please them.

However, if you feel that 20 years later you will regret this choice, don't do it.

Many students who ended up in a college with a major they don't want already struggle with moodiness, depression, unhappiness when they try to go their parent's way.


There's high hopes that the parents will eventually understand if you are serious enough:

I know people who tough it through, gone through hide and seek, got their work thrown out by parents, etc... but they chose to continue, and eventually, their parents almost always, turn around and support them in the end, when they actually start making money from art.

I say 9 out of 10, because every case I have seen with the same problem came out with the same happy ending. When the kid chose the harder road and tough it through. I haven't seen one parent that didn't come to term with it.

However, fighting with your parents DOES cost you energy, and valuable time to use for study, so it's best to learn to communicate however you can instead of fighting. If it really really doesn't work out, there's very few options left but to grow up and go to live on your own.



2. You can also choose to find a compromise area you think you can deal with, and do freelance work on the side to continue your art business until you can live on it completely. If you think you can handle a teaching job while doing some art freelancing, go ahead and do that, slowly prove it to them that you can become a full time artist.  

Working full time as an artist is not for everyone, work is work, it has its pressure. So make sure you know you can do it until you are sick of it, and still you can do it the next day... before you decide this is your path.



2a. Art career can be your second career.
Also, I was told by a full time professional that on average "A person changes his career job 5-7 times in their life time." If your parents said your first career job must be "an accountant" or "doctor" or "businessman" it doesn't mean your secondary career job couldn't be a film director or artist. If you have no choice but to agree to your parents, it doesn't mean you have to completely give up on it. Do your studies to prepare yourself for your second career!





3. Work hard - Art industry is mostly entertainment industry, it is also a culture making industry, it's a specialty.

You don't just get in because you got a degree, in fact going to art institute and colleges has nothing to do with getting an art related job. Going to school for it only means they will give you the basics to prepare you for the job, better schools will get you better connections, better student bodies to motivate you, let you practice with industry standard tools, with more complete programming, all of that add together will eventually help you earn back the money you spent. But in the end, its what you put in counts.

You really need to have the skills and make connections. There's no other way to gain it but by working hard and go to social with other artists. If you only want to go into art but never work for it, you might as well not waste your time and do something else.
No one will hire you because "its your dream job."


If you want to get into art biz full time, be prepared to suddenly draw 8-12 hours a day, 40+ hours a week, or do 3D for that much time... whatever skills you wish to have, you have to grind for it.




4. Find a way to break in - "Break in" is our common term, technically if you get commissioned on DA or your site with REAL money you are already "freelancing." There is a ladder of difference between commercial clients and private clients, when they mention "break in" it means going in to work at a reliable company with steady income, and have your work be distributed through a commercial distribution channel.

To break in you might need to relocate to areas where there is publishers, companies, studios... usually it's the big cities.

Get yourself internships, (anyone who tells you internship is not important are liars) and get to know pros in the area.

Make yourself a reliable talent, and eventually you will get a chance and get work.

In the beginning years of an artist trying to find work, it's like the first year of survival in the wilderness, you need to be strong to survive, and work will keep coming to you. You don't have to be the best artist to survive, but you need to make sure your clients keep coming back to you, and search for new opportunities, you also need to start paying attentions to credits, the way the industry is moving, expanding or contracting.... There's a lot of homework to do.

(more resource will be added later)



中文報導: 動畫工會薪資調查
繁體翻譯: [link]

Honestly I am not the best person to write this, my own parents are supportive of me on my career choice. I do... have many friends who are not as fortunate.


I have gotten this question pretty constantly over the years, both from troubled kids and worried parents. (OMG, the worried parents freaking out on their kids... one mother wouldn't stop calling me for a while!)


SO HERE's the article, paper whatever, to help both sides come to some understanding. I am sure other pros have gotten same questions, i am just writing my own answer so i won't have to do it again. XD


The thing about the art world and industry is... it's a tough place to be unless you are French. @_@b Sorry, my French viewers... but France do offer more protections to the artists compare to many other countries, and better rates too.


However, I think the US art industry is a good tough place, the products here can go all over the world.

There are many other Asian countries, European countries with different level, different rates on the art career you might be interested in, some of them much harsher of an environment compare to the US.



I won't be able to cover them all. That's upto the artists there to share their knowledge.

To other artists who are working: If you want to give me your numbers to add to the list, you are welcome to.



All of these knowledge are online and are open source.


Edit: 2a. Art as second career.

I feel like this can totally turn into a book...
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flobear777 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist
thank you so much for this. I know you posted this a while ago, but I am only now confronting my parents about my art and how I want to pursue my dream of being an artist...they aren't taking it well, and this comforted me. Thanks!
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
:thumsup: best wishes to you. :)
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Cyber-Knight Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wow back in high school, my mom tried convincing me to be a nurse or a flight attendant. But i didn't want and allowed me to take fine arts: major in advertising. (I wanted animation, but there are limited schools that promotes that course back in my time). Now she's trying to turn me into a call center agent... Yeesh.
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MacabreFawn Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Student General Artist
My mom is an artist and I am too. I'm lucky because my parents will let me be whatever I want to be, they won't force me into anything. I feel bad for people with controling parents. :(
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mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Professional Filmographer
you and I are really blessed/lucky to have understanding parents. :highfive:
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MacabreFawn Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Student General Artist
We are! :3
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Schplitzkriegs Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Parents say this based on your interests like for example: Oh you like animals? Be a veterinarian! Seriously, that's a bit stereotypical.
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Afro-dreads Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011
This post helped so much, I always knew I would have trouble confronting my mother about the sacrifices that my art course produced, but now this has given me some insight in how I can handle it. (and bless her she is understandably worried)

Just wondering do you have any resources that you can share about creative jobs with illustration or just resources about creative jobs in general?

Whenever and if you can. Thank you <3
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mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011  Professional Filmographer
i shared what i had on this article, job wise it's a up hill battle, you will tend to come out as a freelancer or intern, you have to work your way up in the biz.
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Afro-dreads Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011
:) My tutor repeats this.

Thank you.
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JenBroomall Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2011
My parents are artists in many art forms: music, painting, writing, etc and I'm an artist too. I have a daughter and will support her in any choice.
Sure you can be a doctor but you can have art too.

I hope those who have not had support get some and don't give up.
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NightMargin Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
2a = storyofmylife

Thank you for putting this into perspective! 8D
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chibiveechan Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2010  Student Digital Artist
....I love you.

But seriously, thank you for writing this, it really puts into perspective what my priorities in life are... now if i can get my parents to read this...
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mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:nod:
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MorbidFool Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2010  Student Digital Artist
The release of JC's Avatar shut my father up regarding my plans for 3D and Environment Design as a career. XD
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DiscombobulatedTrin Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2010  Student General Artist
I must say that I have the same argument with my mother all the time and this only reasured me after reading to confront her with what I plan to do. I don't know if you are intrested but I would like to study art in graphic design and traditional means and then become a art teacher.
But thank you very much with this article.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2010  Professional Filmographer
best of wishes to you. ^_^9 Glad this helps.
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Lacroa Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I get this with my dad, we actually yelled at each other :<
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mayshing Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:hug:
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CaliforniaClipper Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
My family has always supported me, but I am +faving this because I constantly hear "You can't make money as an artist" and "The competition is very stiff." I start believing it although I haven't researched wages & etc.

I do believe the competition is stiff if they're talking about skill/talent, but that doesn't make it impossible to get into the market... not every talented person can show up on time or make deadlines...

Myself, I'm not so concerned about making money (yet) since I have enough to eat, but this is nice to have for dealing with the "Starving Artist" remarks -- including the ones I catch myself making. =D
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mayshing Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:) i think your way of getting into biz is really relaxing. lol~
After my school we art students practically get sling shot into the biz due to worries for debts.
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CaliforniaClipper Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
lol yes, the downside is that I may be 40 before I animate anything. :XD: I'm trying a little harder this year though.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Professional Filmographer
i am not too far ahead of you on that one. lol~ I hope i land a job around 30, i mean, others landed a job at 22. I am in school for WAY too long. -_-bb
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CaliforniaClipper Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Your art skills rock though. You can confidently walk in to any place and say "Yes, I can draw that." =)

Now it's just a matter of prying employment from some CEO's clenched fingers. =D
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mayshing Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Professional Filmographer
my skill is only ok, good enough to get in. :P
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CaliforniaClipper Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
ack, don't say that. I'm aspiring to your level. =D
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mayshing Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010  Professional Filmographer
ah, sorry. XD you know its like TV game, u are trying to get to my level but i am trying to get to Weta/Pixar/Disney level. XD
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lenoir-whittlethorn Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2010
Oh wow, that picture totally depicted my own scenario. Except more yelling. lol Yeah, my mother was very pushy on me going into the medical/law field, but I couldn't bring my heart into it. I have the brains for it, but I never felt anything in those fields. But when I went into writing, it felt as if I was finally breathing. :) I stood my ground firmly and the summer before college was very tense in the household, but now everything is fine. It's just like you said, sometimes parents come around. Thanks for sharing this.

I would say that I've followed your projects as closely as I can, and I would like to congratulate you! You are an inspiration to me and hopefully my friend (who is a growing mangaka) will gain inspiration too. :) Thanks again for sharing!
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mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2010  Professional Filmographer
ur welcome. :)
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iznbodyzangel Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2010
my mom is supportive of me pursuing an art career but half of my siblings and some of the influential people are not... i will look forward to reading more of your articles
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Seraph6283 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
My parents have been supportive as well. That said I wish my dad wasn't so dang ignorant/forgetful of my wrists in relation to what artist career choices I can physically manage without blowing body parts out like an athlete (I like to be able to help usage of my hands). As it makes a already difficult more so by needlessly unintentionally making my limits I very much have to worry about focus in my mind more then they need to be.

I would be a teacher but my langauge skills have lapse so badly and my wrists having to type up lesson plans all the time isn't a good combo. Again I think photograpjhy might be something good for me to pursue as it isn't as hard on me.
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Kth3Gr3at Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2010
I really liked reading this. Personally, this can be applied to a lot of different things like just parental acceptance in general. Thanks for posting this and the other piece. :)
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sphynx-c Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2010
I'm pretty lucky, I may have no idea what I'm doing or how I'm going to do it....

but my artistic career IS fully supported by my family :)
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theclownatethem Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2010
though I'm past this stage, I think this is some VERY useful literature
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Tomaka Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2010
Thank you so much for all of this wonderful information. I'm currently going through this exact scenario at home. My mother doesn't think that going to art school is a good idea at all and that I should focus on the "real world". But reading this has made me feel a lot better about it. Thanks again!
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AuroraWhite Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
With so many choices...my future is uncertain.....
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mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:) keep helping me with the animation, that's an art job too. It can be a secret. X3
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AuroraWhite Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
haha~ thanks :)
but.....
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2010  Professional Filmographer
then just take your time. :)
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AuroraWhite Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
time is not on my side...
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2010  Professional Filmographer
Then arrange your time? X3
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AuroraWhite Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
hahahaa~
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StarsOfCASSiOPEiA Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2010  Student General Artist
Very inspiring, and very true- sometimes parents aren't supportive simply because of the instability. There's a lot of useful information here that really supports the young artists hoping to make something of themselves- which is just wonderful.

Great job. :)
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jenny98076 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2010
Haha, that's funny. My mom told me to be a doctor since she doesn't think I'll make a lot of money by doing animation or art. =\ But thanks for this article. I hope the salaries don't go down due to budget cuts.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2010  Professional Filmographer
what one of our nearly-100 year old prof said is that... if one thing goes down, another will come up, market, industry itself is very organic, be prepared to keep learning, meet the requirements, and you will do just fine.
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Red-Carnation Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2010
And you know, what some parents don't seem to get is that without kids who dream about artists and filmmakers, there would be no artists or filmmakers.

I am eternally grateful to my parents - that when I said I wanted to make movies, they said they'd be behind me one hundred percent no matter what I chose to do :)

I hope that all the people who are feeling discouraged end up making their own way, but you know what? Greatness prevails - no matter what you do, if you're meant to create, you will :)
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Unleh Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Excellent article, this will help me a lot in the future :D
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flightresponse Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2010
I wish I had this kind of support when I was going to school. I had always been told art would get me no where so I decided not to get involved even though I loved it. Now I really wish I would have.
My advice is to follow your dreams or you will always be asking yourself "What if?"
Explore your possibilities and do your best. And if you don't succeed at least your mind will never wonder.
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Jaala Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2010
yup! but you always must realiase that you need to eat and a place to sleep too!
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crumplezonegirl06 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2010   General Artist
However, why are so many manga artists dirt poor? I'm wondering this as some of my friends think they're filthy rich and living large.
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