Shop Mobile More Submit  Join Login
×

:iconmayshing: More from mayshing


Featured in Collections

Tutorials by Xarti

Notes by FlickPicassoOfficial


More from DeviantArt



Details

Submitted on
April 25, 2007
Link
Thumb

Stats

Views
5,647 (1 today)
Favourites
67 (who?)
Comments
60
×

How to set up DA commission business-ed

Journal Entry: Wed Apr 25, 2007, 4:28 PM
  • Mood: Artistic
  • Listening to: MP3
  • Drinking: tea
I think I have given enough advices to different people of the same thing I might as well write a journal about it. (So I can be lazy and just pass the link to them later.)


:rose: :rose: This journal is for starters who wants to start their own DA commissioning business. :rose: :rose:


WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO START

When you have enough watchers and people interested in your art.
When you have a closely-bounded community around your work/gallery


How many is enough I won't say, because it soly depends on the community around you and your work. Some artists can live on one patron, others need to live on millions of them.

If you need more exposure, do fanart. After all, people would type and search famous series, not your name. If they do type your name, you are famous.

If you don't want to do fanart, the other option is draw the cliche-category.
Pirates are selling, draw pirates.
Angels and demons always sell

You get my drift?


HOW TO START

1. Setting prices:
if you don't know how to set prices yet, there's a few things that can help you to determine what prices you need to go with:

-Evaluate the competition:
take a look at other artists who are doing commissions and their prices. While evaluating, be critical about your work in a skill-based manner, (forget self-esteem for a while when you want to do business.)

Is my drawing skill high enough?
Is my painting skill high enough?
What's my strength?
What's my weakness?
What can I offer that is my specialty that this other person doesn't offer?


-Hours and efford spent on your part:
how long do you need for each commission on the average, if you set the prices too low, you will discourage yourself from working, if you set it too high, you won't get customers.

I personally go by 10 dollars/hour estimation.



2. Keep things flowing

-Free trials:
Use free offers on commissions to friends or your close-nit watchers to get started. (use what you have)
Submit your commission pieces to DA for advertisement. Commission pieces title should include "Commission" to let your viewers know you do commissions. Include your commissioner's name on the describtion.

- Include an easy access to your commission related information.



KEY POINTS TO SET UP COMMISSION JOURNALS

1. Be clear, and make it easy to read

-Use spaces.... lots of spaces between words help for easy reading, the faster they can read your journal, the more business you may get.
If your journal is chaotic, you will get more notes of confused commissioners.

- use icons, graphic information to decorate your journal post


2. Keep a list
- Slots- the easiest way to let people know whether you are avaliable, and that you are active in business.
- Keep the contact information somewhere you can review easily.


PAYMENT AND RELATIONSHIP WITH CLIENTS

1. Deadlines or no deadlines: most people actually don't give you a deadline, (then don't ask for one...) but if there are those who do, keep a clear account for that. Set your priority on the commissions in reaction to the urgency of your commissioners.


2. When should the client pay:

Usually the artists in illustration industry can ask for an advance after doing some sketches. Then the rest should be paid off after the work is done.

I do 50/50 portion payment with my clients, 50% advance when I showed them the sketches, 50% final after I am done. But if trust is built between me and the client, often they just pay me in full after I have shown them the sketches.

3. Payment method:
Paypal, money order, check, if you have your own shop set up you can take credit card as well.
Just go to paypal.com to sign up, it's pretty easy.


CHOOSE YOUR JOBS :new:

If you don't want to do the job since the begining of the request, you are better off not doing it.
(ex: If you hate hentai, don't take hentai work.)

-Choose the jobs that you feel is more suitable, competitable with your personality and quality. (unless you are super desparate.)
If you choose your jobs wisely to fit both your needs, and the clients' needs, you will get good work done, your client will be happy.

While choosing for yourself and your portfolio, you will also build a brand name with your commissions... that will create a steady flow of customers for you as well.


A more detailed article at Elfwood: elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/th…

:bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred:

My Golden Rules:

-I don't take requests
-I will propose an art trade to ppl I wish to do art trade with, you may propose to me but with no garrentee that I would take it.
-I take commissions, ( commission is paid request) contact me through notes or e-mail
-I will offer gift art, and take gift art
-I dislike hentai, or yaoi (personal preference)
:star: FAQ
:star: Art element and principle of designs

:star: Do something about your jealousy

:star: How to get started on DA commissions business
:bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred::bulletred:

:reading: Manga/Anime Tutorials: www.deviantart.com/deviation/8…

:new: Asher DA interviews: gatekeeper501.deviantart.com/j…

:w00t: Join me on collecting 1000 AnimeEyes Project!!

:w00t: How to Get my originals art sent to your door.

--------Clubs:
:iconcrazy-directors-club: - (inactive) for the love of original arts
:iconcalligraphers: -(inactive) where calligraphy gather(?)
:iconartistshospital: - (active) a place to help DA artists

Club delicated to me: :iconmayshing-fans: (although its not active now... ^^b I still appreciate it.)
Club I am in: :iconnightsfan: :iconsonic-club: :iconpainters:

----------
Companies I work for:
:star: Warriorsoft
:star: Lime-Manga

I hang out at:
:rose: ComicSpace.com
:rose: DrunkDuck.com
:rose: Onlinecomics.net

My teammates: (on Manga/website projects)
halflingrogue upload-image-here ironsonic TheComplex scribblecore ototo-hika GamerTB
Add a Comment:
 
:iconshenaniboom:
ShenaniBOOM Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013

Lot's of great advice here! I looked around on the internet for a service that specifically provides "drawing/painting people in manga form" (not drawing fictional characters but drawing people who want to see themselves in manga form), but suprisingly enough, no one seems to specialize in this. So, I'm gonna do it myself :D

Reply
:iconeloisejude:
eloisejude Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good tutorial. I know that you need a minimum of exposure to get commissions. And it takes time. I just hope someday I'll be ready enough :)
Reply
:icondevilsbladeauthor:
DevilsBladeAuthor Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013
This really helped. I havent really branched out very far but im starting to work on digital work which seems to be the big thing right now. I will put up options for commissions and see who drops in. Not gonna be a money maker but a little here and there is nice till i get going.
Reply
:iconsasuke419:
Sasuke419 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Artist
Your work is amazing. I have a request, could you take a look at a couple of my pictures in my gallery? I'm about to open commissions myself and it's a dream of mine to become a professional cartoonist. I would love to see what you have to think and if at all possible help decide where should I begin my commission price.
Reply
:iconmsr1ma:
msR1MA Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
i have a question i have a paypal and want to start commissions but, i'm unsure how they work with paypal can someone please explain?
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012  Professional Filmographer
give the client ur paypal email account and tell them to just send money to your account on paypal. Its that simple.
Reply
:iconmsr1ma:
msR1MA Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
thank you i couldn't find a faq on it so i was confused :)
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Filmographer
np. =)
Reply
:icononeliferemaining:
OneLifeRemaining Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This really helps. Thanks! But I don't know how to use Paypal... Secondly, I wanted to start doing commissions involving making art that would need to be sent through the mail. How exactly do I go about doing so? I'd kinda feel awkward asking the commissioner for their address... ._.
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Filmographer
use notes to ask for their address. 100% of the people give it.
You need to learn how to use paypal, just visit their site and find out: [link]
Reply
:icononeliferemaining:
OneLifeRemaining Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okies XD Thanks (:
Reply
:iconhuetwo:
HueTwo Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
This came in very handy. I'm pretty lost getting started as a professional artist here on DA and I'm very pleased to find such comprehensive guides to help other artists start their journey. Thanks for helping me set a solid foundation.
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Professional Filmographer
ur welcome. best wishes.
Reply
:iconjenrina136:
jenrina136 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for this... tutorial thing! It helped me a lot! ^^
Reply
:iconbonbonpich:
BonBonPich Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
Thanks, was wondering how this works.
Reply
:iconred-romanov:
Red-Romanov Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a lot for this journal. I really appreciate it.

I feel like I want to start it too, but I just don't know if my skills deserves. I think I should build up audiences as well as my skills. I just discovered some days ago a fanart could attract more visitors.
Reply
:iconshadowkunoichi7:
shadowkunoichi7 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2008
So, you don't use deviant art prints to sell? It looks like you get it printed at a printing store and mail them out yourself. Is that right? I'd like to do that, but I have no scanner at the moment(it broke), but I'm getting all the information I can during the time I dont have it. Thanx. Your page is very helpful, btw. ^.^ (sorry for this being a super super late)
Reply
:iconshadowkunoichi7:
shadowkunoichi7 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2008
Hmm. So, say your labor was worth $30. You'd charge them that on, say, paypal, then you'd let them order the print themselves for something much lower for the actual printing cost?
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2008  Professional Filmographer
i use DA print, it's easier sometimes, just charge the labor fee to the commission, and have the commissioner order their own copy when its done. :P
Reply
:iconshinigami-kyou:
shinigami-kyou Featured By Owner May 10, 2007
Dear Mayshing,

I have noticed a certain trend among commisioners that worries me slightly about my desire to do commisions. I would love to start my own business doing art for people, but I have been told by several people that they would love to buy my art, if I had the means to CG it.I come from a family with very low income, so there isn't a way for me to get a tablet or more expensive art materials to improve the appearance of my work. Is it still possible to try to start doing commissions?
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner May 10, 2007  Professional Filmographer
There's ways to get programs like photoshop and open canvas for nothing.... but I am not sure about tablet, for tablet, just try to invest about 100 dollars if you can store up some money. @_@b
If that's not possible, try vector cging, it takes longer but it will give you the good smooth lines for your cgs.
Reply
:iconshinigami-kyou:
shinigami-kyou Featured By Owner May 10, 2007
Thanks. :3
Reply
:iconblingyeol:
blingyeol Featured By Owner May 4, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
I really like how you described it! You've got a talent for explaining things :nod: I believe this will be very useful to some artists, but probably not me, I'm far away from making comissions...need to improve more ;)
Reply
:icondarkremnant:
Darkremnant Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
um i really appreciate the article, but i still have one wee lil question.^^; How do i find more ppl to look at my work if im still kinda new to DA???




P.S. Thank you for your time, mayshing. :D
Reply
:iconcheshirecat8d:
CheshireCat8D Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You can also post your art in the Thumbshares forum. [link]

Comment on various people's work. Bascially the more active you are, the better the chances for people to visit your page.

[link]
[link]
Reply
:icondarkremnant:
Darkremnant Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2007
wow i never even knew such a thing existed!!! Thank you ever so kindly ;D
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
do fanart.... people type search words for famous series... not our names. If they do type our name, then we are famous.
Reply
:icondarkremnant:
Darkremnant Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
lol... i see, thanx again :D :hug:
Reply
:iconhigekun:
Higekun Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
Yay! Another clear and concise advice article for commissioners! Here's one from Elfwood [link] for anyone that would like to know. I find this one far more DA friendly (duh!)~:heart:
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
thanks for sharing, I will include that in my article.
Reply
:iconneolucky:
Neolucky Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
As much as I have been asked on this subject, I shoulda written a FAQ ages ago! However yours is much easier to read, and clear, to the point as well. I appreciate you saying something =). Do you mind me referencing you if somone asks me tips on commissioning again? I'm just *awfull* at teaching anyone!
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
go ahead. Its for everyone. :)
Reply
:icontiggerfactory:
tiggerfactory Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
Oh my! XD
have any idea of how many times I had to give these adivices? :XD:
Thanks for writing it ^^
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
I searched... surprisingly I did not find another writing entry on DA on this aspect... I suppose I will submit it as a writing.
Reply
:icontiggerfactory:
tiggerfactory Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2007
oh yeah :nod:
I've already added your post at my journal header^^
Reply
:iconshintei-chan:
Shintei-chan Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hope you'll never erase this journal...if I ever go back to commissioning I'll definitely use these advices
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
it will probably stay there for as long as I need it as well. (see how i added it to my link. XD )

One thing about doing commission is... choose the commission you want to do. If you don't want to do it, don't take the job. :nod:
Reply
:iconshintei-chan:
Shintei-chan Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's very useful!

Yes...I figured that out the other day...I could still take commissions from friends...if I like the idea
Reply
:iconknotbox:
knotbox Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
Ohhhh, my friend was looking for advice. :D I'm going to link her to this.
Reply
:iconsoreiya:
Soreiya Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
I have trouble with the entire journal setup. LOL I'm just not good at making things seem all pro-like.

Pricing is also a problem for me due to lack of confidence... Somehow I think I would rather have items rather than money. haha
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
don't do it too cheap, you want people to take you seriously. (And your work deserves to start from $40 and above.)
People tend to like collecting original traditional art, so if you do something on the paper, you can sell for more.
Reply
:iconcheshirecat8d:
CheshireCat8D Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not ready to start commissions yet because I'm not good enough. However, it is nice nice to know about in the future if there is a change in my abilities and circumstances.
Reply
:iconinpuupuaut:
InpuUpUaut Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Student General Artist
Very useful! ^_^
Thank you ^_^
Reply
:iconlossingfeathers:
LossingFeathers Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007
I have a question. The very first point discouraged me.

"When you have enough watchers and people interested in your art.
When you have a closely-bounded community around your work/gallery"

How do you astablish that? I have a few faithful watchers, but in reality, there are maybe ten that give my art a look and maybe less then five that favorite or ever comment.

That doesn't bother me too much, but it tells me that I am not ready to do commitions if I wanted to (and I would love to...).
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
Or Give offline friends a try, at times, you get commissions more easily from offline customers for your personal style than online.
Several of my biggest commissions were completely offline deal, mostly faith related.
Reply
:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2007  Professional Filmographer
Then you need to just take your time and continue to work on your skills. When no one watches you, or pay attention to your work, it simply means you are still in the stage of development, they will be watching your development instead of result, you can build it from there. If you keep moving forward with polishing your skills, your circle will eventually increase.

I won't say how big or how small the circle should be, because it really depends on how many ppl around you would spend money on you, some artists can live on a few, or single patrons.
Reply
Add a Comment: